@Tomigon - I was thinking that a creature with unflinching can never be tapped and the drawback would be that it can never be used in part of a cost. Do you think the reminder text need to be more specific in that matter?
Or would it be better if you can tap a creature with unflinching as a part of a cost? If that's so, is the current reminder text good?
@TenebrisNemo Either way, I think the reminder text should be more specific. I'm keep asking you how that mechanic works because it's confusing, and I can't judge if I don't understand it.
I think the creature should tap if it's used as a part of a cost. That is less confusing. Some people might think an unflinching creature always pays {1} for convoke.
How about.. Unflinching (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature. Attacking doesn't cause this creature to tap.) I took example from indestructible. I think cost isn't included in "effect". "609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. When a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability resolves, it may create one or more one-shot or continuous effects. Static abilities may create one or more continuous effects. Text itself is never an effect." - https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Effects
or you can make Unflinching only say (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature.), and add normal vigilance.
@Tomigon - Alright, sounds good. I would rather have the second version of Unflinching. That way it wouldn't be a superior version of Vigilance.
One more question, though. If you're casting a creature with Unflinching and an opponent has an effect which makes your creatures enter the battlefield tapped, does Unflinching prevent that creature from entering the battlefield tapped or no?
@TenebrisNemo This is the wording you'd be looking for then.
Benefits: 1) Costs still work. 2) Creature enters the battlefield untapped. 3) Follows similar format to WotC cards, while implementing the other version.
Unflinching (Effects other than costs don't cause this creature to become tapped.)
@TenebrisNemo I think it enters the battlefield untapped. Creatures doesn't enters the battlefield with -1/-1 counters on it if you control Melira, Sylvok Outcast.
@modnation675, @Faiths_Guide Did you read my comment? We can know that cost is not effect from the rule 609.1. So I think Unflinching just can say (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature.)
@modnation675 There are no tapping effect on cards in that link. They are all alternative cost. Tapping of that cost is your action. Not card's effect. I'll post the rule again. "609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. When a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability resolves, it may create one or more one-shot or continuous effects. Static abilities may create one or more continuous effects. Text itself is never an effect." Cost is paid when you cast or activate spell or ability. Which means, cost is not effect.
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How about this?
Unflinching (This creature can't be tapped by spells, abilities, or by attacking.)
No problem, the effect is something most people don't use often.
Sounds good.
I went straight to Shapeshifter too XD
So unflinching creature is tapped when it is part of the COST of something(like convoke, Tradewind Rider,,) , right?
Or would it be better if you can tap a creature with unflinching as a part of a cost? If that's so, is the current reminder text good?
@Faiths_Guide - Great minds think alike, eh? Haha!
Either way, I think the reminder text should be more specific. I'm keep asking you how that mechanic works because it's confusing, and I can't judge if I don't understand it.
I think the creature should tap if it's used as a part of a cost. That is less confusing. Some people might think an unflinching creature always pays {1} for convoke.
How about..
Unflinching (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature. Attacking doesn't cause this creature to tap.)
I took example from indestructible. I think cost isn't included in "effect".
"609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. When a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability resolves, it may create one or more one-shot or continuous effects. Static abilities may create one or more continuous effects. Text itself is never an effect."
- https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Effects
or you can make Unflinching only say (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature.), and add normal vigilance.
One more question, though. If you're casting a creature with Unflinching and an opponent has an effect which makes your creatures enter the battlefield tapped, does Unflinching prevent that creature from entering the battlefield tapped or no?
This is the wording you'd be looking for then.
Benefits:
1) Costs still work.
2) Creature enters the battlefield untapped.
3) Follows similar format to WotC cards, while implementing the other version.
Unflinching (Effects other than costs don't cause this creature to become tapped.)
Now here's an entry for a change. Haha.
I think it enters the battlefield untapped.
Creatures doesn't enters the battlefield with -1/-1 counters on it if you control Melira, Sylvok Outcast.
For clarity, I'd suggest this wording:
Unflinching (This creature can't become tapped except to cast spells, activate abilities, or attack.)
Edit: Actually go with a compromise between the two, I forgot that nothing specified convoke as a cost.
I think if WoTC were to utilize such a mechanic, they'd word it as I did (or very close) so as to be easiest for players to grasp.
Fixed above ^
Did you read my comment? We can know that cost is not effect from the rule 609.1. So I think Unflinching just can say (Effects that say "tap" don't tap this creature.)
Yes, I did. But I didn't memorize the comment. What if you want to pay a cost of an opponent's spell's effect though.
Also I made a planeswalker and would be thankful if you can give your feedback on it.
If a card say "You may tap a creature you control", that tapping is your action and not the card's effect I guess. I don't know.
I'll go check your planeswalker.
Also everyone, this challenge ends in a few days!
I'm referring to "may" effects.
For example?
Hard to find in WotC's cards but similar to the following or the curse from Amonkhet, Link Address
There are no tapping effect on cards in that link. They are all alternative cost. Tapping of that cost is your action. Not card's effect. I'll post the rule again.
"609.1. An effect is something that happens in the game as a result of a spell or ability. When a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability resolves, it may create one or more one-shot or continuous effects. Static abilities may create one or more continuous effects. Text itself is never an effect."
Cost is paid when you cast or activate spell or ability. Which means, cost is not effect.
I know. I meant the following, Link Address