Standard will be a wreck.

MordecaiMordecai
in MTG Gameplay Chat
Is it just me, or will standard be a wreck after Aether Revolt comes out. The new spoilers are wayyyy too overpowered. Seriously, a board wipe AND a free spell?!! What the hell were they thinking?! This is probably 'Goodbye MTG' for me. Hello, Netrunner.

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  • TrippleBoggey3TrippleBoggey3
    What's netrunner?
  • SkullroidSkullroid
    @trippleboggey Netrunner is a collectable card game created by Richard Garfield (the creator of mtg) and was introduced in 1996.
  • KJMartinKJMartin
    @GeekBabe123, @TrippleBoggey3

    Actually Netrunner is an LCG and was created in 2012 (at least the card game was).

    It's essentially cheaper, more tactical, arguably funner MTG (it's so much cheaper every single card costs about £300).

  • SkullroidSkullroid
    @kimjongmartin @trippleboggey3

    That's android:netrunner. An lcg game made in 2012 by wizards of the coast based off of the original netrunner ccg made in 1996
  • KJMartinKJMartin
    I supposed he was talking about the LCG, with the 'NAPD Most Wanted List', the overpowered astroscript pilot program and the core set with Noise.

    ^ ^ You must really like copying and pasting off Wikipedia. x)
  • LujikulLujikul
    Well, you'll have to suck it up. Analysis has said we're on course for the next standard banning incident. Though I'm more concerned about dredge and a lack of graveyard hate right now.
  • GelectrodeGelectrode
    I think that Yahenni's Expertise will be nice for standard honestly. Control is rather underrepresented right now, and -3/-3 to everything isn't as good as Languish. On the other hand, it may be just small enough for Control's big creatures to survive, so it will be interesting.

    I do like the idea of casting Beck//Call with it in Modern, though...
  • MordecaiMordecai
    I personally think that Yahenni's Expertise will be too overpowered. Up to 7 mana worth of cards on turn 4 is too good. It's not the -3/-3, because for 4 mana that's kinda crappy, but the freecasting a card costing up to 3. Boardwipe and cast a creature, or boardwipe and flaying tendrils. There are as many broken combos for that card as there are cards that cost 3. And the one that turns an artifact into a 'blow everything up' piece of rock is awesome, but ultimately broken. For example, 1 mana for 2 damage to a creature with a damage increasing effect is fairly common in red. This hits either creatures or players for FREE. Also, 2 mana 4/4 flying vigilance crew 3..... that's arguably better than smuggler's copter. I'll wait to see what they ban and stuff, also what else they print in the set, but to me it seems that these cards are broken.

    PS: The ajani in the planeswalker set is arguably better than the one you get in boosters. Sure, wizards. Planeswalker decks won't be sought after... or competitive...
  • MordecaiMordecai
    edited December 2016
    @KimJongMartin

    What do you have against netrunner? and to clarify, yes, I'm talking about Android: Netrunner.
  • strongbelievesstrongbelieves
    Netrunner isn't really a substitute for MTG. As long as they release some kind of graveyard hoser I don't care what else they release.
  • MordecaiMordecai
    @strongbelieves

    Not a direct substitute, but it's a card game. Also, it's less expensive and you can actually use cards that no-one else uses with hope of winning, because they do their job and balance cards most the time. And yes, a graveyard hate card would be nice :)
  • strongbelievesstrongbelieves
    edited December 2016
    Constructed standard isn't a format right now because it is entirely GB delirium. That is only possible because there are literally no GY hosers in the format and no way of dealing with the deck's speed, control and recursion.

    Anyway, Netrunner is an LCG, not a TCG or CCG. You can just get all of the cards in the format by buying the appropriate boxes that contain them and there is no collecting or trading. It is also a game that plays literally nothing like Magic and there is only one way to play (nothing like how MTG has commander, 2HG, pauper, etc). It can be kind of fun and they regularly release new mechanics but it is pretty limited and while it isn't 'solved', games play a lot more predictably than a game of Magic. That is due partially to Netrunner having about 700 cards vs. Magic having over 14,000 and more than 700 in standard as well. There is a lot more brewing decks in Magic than there is in Netrunner, especially when you aren't specifically trying to play tournament-level standard.

    Edit: Plus Netrunner drafts are pretty uninteresting.
  • KJMartinKJMartin
    @Mordecai I don't! I used to love netrunner! XD
  • MaverickGVMaverickGV
    They really shouldn't have left out all graveyard hate with the rotation of learn from the past
  • DomriKadeDomriKade
    Beyond a perceived overload of GB Delerium and its variants, what I'm most concerned about is that Yahenni's Expertise (and others like it) shut down almost every deck that would have a chance against powerhouse decks in the format. Presently, you can still brew and have some degree of success. However, with a valid sweeper that hits almost every relevant anti-GB creature we'll likely see a further lockdown of the format rather than a broadening. I won't be so hyperbolic as to suggest that bannings should take place but I do think we'll see a diminished incentive to explore Standard as the strong decks become stronger and control options become more prevalent and powerful. I'd love to be wrong about this but I'm afraid we may be moving back toward a stagnant era reminiscent of the Sphinx's Rev days... which is a shame because this format has been really promising and quite open for creativity.
  • MordecaiMordecai
    @strongbelieves

    Part of the reason I'd switch to Netrunner over something like pokemon is because of the fact that you know what's in the packs. It's less pay to win. And yeah, I know it plays nothing like magic. Another reason I like it, as it's got new win conditions apart from seeming like a Magic clone. And it is very difficult for a game to be played more predictably than a game of magic. For example, in a game p1 has a fevered visions deck and p2 has a g/b delirium deck. Each player knows how the other will win and mostly what cards they'll be running etc. Also, I've not really drafted Magic, and I think the same will hold for Netrunner. I generally prefer Constructed.
  • MordecaiMordecai
    @KimJongMartin

    Oh, cool. For some reason I assumed you were being sarcastic? I don't even know why XD
  • MaverickGVMaverickGV
    Pokémon tcg is pretty fun
  • MaverickGVMaverickGV
    Oh no @TrippleBoggey3 is gonna get me for talking about Pokémon
  • TrippleBoggey3TrippleBoggey3
    I think I heard someone say Pokémon. I don't know who, but I got my gun ready!
    xD
  • KJMartinKJMartin
    Maybe cause you heard somewhere I was British @Mordecai. And we luvs our sarcasm.
  • MordecaiMordecai
    @KimJongMartin

    possibly... that wasn't sarcastic, was it? XD
  • KrampisZmanKrampisZman
    @Mordecai I really don't think Yaheeni's Expertise is all that powerful compared to some of the other cards in standard. It doesn't kill a whole lot that sees play currently, except for stuff in flash, and the free spell is likely replacing something you just murdered with the wipe. This card really needs a deck build around it.

    I'm more worried about graveyard hate. If we don't get at least a little bit of it in Aether revolt, standard could continue to suck until Amonkhet unless we get a 2 mana removal spell. Why a two mana removal spell? Well, we have a great top end for control right now, including a spell to counter Emrakul's "Take an extra turn" trigger, and a second 2 mana removal spell (First is incindeary flow) would make Grixis control a playable deck.

    And hey, if you don't like standard, why not go play modern? I have seen some very fun (And Competitive) decks for less than $100. Here are a couple that I find fun that you might like:
    Metallurgic Summonings: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-91-31-tix-modern-ur-summonings (I'm building this one)
    Turn 2 Tokens: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-68-10-tix-modern-turn-2-tokens
    Green Black Zombies: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-98-39-tix-modern-gb-zombies
    Stake Sisters https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-94-15-tix-modern-stake-sisters

    This one is a troll deck, but still fun. Saheeli Rai Titan: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-saheelia-modern
  • strongbelievesstrongbelieves
    The best way to put it would probably be that standard wont me more of a wreck than current standard. Aetherworks Marvel, Scopter, Emra, no graveyard hate. There was a post on the MTG subreddit yesterday where pros and WOTC people rated current standard 1-10 and the average was about a 2-3.
  • IanLowenthalIanLowenthal
    edited December 2016
    Lookey what I found!
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  • RednaxelaRednaxela
    And this was just spoiled.
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  • MilaMila
    Oh, I already love these cards. I am not the one to know, what they'll do to the current standard or if they are too strong or too weak. They'd just do veeery god jobs in my favorite standard deck and I can't wait to put them in there.
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