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Yeah, I was just meaning that I'd prefer the two of you to make the decision.
Although, keep in mind I work best when not worrying about making commons/uncommons in Standard. Mainly as I don't like Standard outside of the drafting format. (The cards tend to be artificially dampened in quality beyond a reasonable level.)
You can try mixing it with the Barbs, or Anglos...those that were classified as 'barbarian' because they wore pants.
Obviously there needs to be some pattern and format, but you should definitely keep all doors open for the design and creativity.
Let me know if you need any help with anything (design/story/etc) I have a lot of free time at work. I can even do simple art if needed (I'm practicing but not good)
I think that it should take place in an archipelago that is all the people there know of the world (are there more lands beyond the islands, beyond the open sea? We will never know.). Once, the islands prospered in their alliances and artistic ways. But then a war tears through the archipelago and rips apart the islands' trust in each other. It was instrumented by the ancestor of our tyrant, who sought to become emperor of all of the isles. Now they are all separated and suspicious of one another, with their respective rulers striving to keep new ideas out and their people in.
@ningyounk, @OneBigBlueSky
Again, I think we need to consider the two different creature-making mechanics. Ability counters versus Sculpting.
I consider Sculpting to be better because you make creatures fresh off the bat, without changing the intent of real creatures. However, the extra complications may overcome that. What to you think?
@MagicChess , great ideas!
Is it okay, if I refrain from commenting for awhile today so that I can gather artwork?
Also, please leave comments on what animals/creatures you want to see. Then I know everyone's preferences.
@MagicChess Yes I agree right now the discussion has been mostly about art and need to be broaden. I do think it's the most important aspect of Renaissance, but we also need to brainstorm ideas for other stuff. My Colour Pie philosophy of art was actually to mimick the Colour Pie philosophy of Energy from Kaladesh ^^
I still don't get your Sculpt mechanic, could you give one or more detailed examples as I just did with ability counters? Right now I still have trouble seeing the advantage of it over simple token creation.
I agree, I just know that I'd like to get some artwork for demonstrating ideas. But in order to do so, I need to know if someone outwardly disapproves of an idea. (At least for placeholders of similar artwork!)
Keep in mind that I design rare and mythics with the artwork in mind. Otherwise, I feel the mechanics tend to be less suiting. (Basically generalized.)
Step 1:
Master Artist {2}{u}
Creature - Human Artist
When Master Artist enters the battlefield, create a colorless 0/0 Sculpture creature token in your command zone.
Step 2:
Sculpture
Token Sculpted Creature
You may cast this token any time you could cast a sorcery for {some cost, I'm not sure yet} from your command zone.
Step 3:
Elegant Carvings
Instant
Put a flight counter on target sculpted creature in your command zone. It has flying for as long as it has a flight counter on it.
Masterwork Commission
Put a +1/+1 counter each Sculpted creature in your command zone.
Step 4:
Pay {the cost I haven't determined yet}: "cast" a finished sculpted creature.
I just don't want to take part in the balancing of that ability, because It has way to many rules outside of reminder text to convey the message to the user.
This is why I mentioned taking a similar approach, but comparing them to Golem tribal. Thus specific cards could apply the anthem effect permanently to all Sculpture's in the command zone.
I know how to design that very easily in terms of mechanics. Then you could also change the idea a bit by being able to have multiple sculptures in the command zone somehow.
So you're suggesting a creature type (probably Sculpture) that automatically entails certain things? While I like the idea, I think that it also would need to have lots of reminder text. Sculptures would need to say everything about what can be done to them, just in unconnected reminder text, unlike Vehicles, which have the self-explanatory Crew ability. I think that it could turn out even more complicated than the original idea.
Truthfully, I would probably go with @ningyounks ability counters if not for the fact that they could ruin the intention of certain creatures. Again, I will use my Glistener Elf example: just pop in a playset of cheap "target creature gets a flight counter" cards and you essentially get another Blighted Agent.
I meant in the sense that certain creatures will provide certain benefits... and yes all creatures should have one creature type at least.
As for the crew comparison, crewing is very low on the complexity compared to what were looking at. Crew wasn't vary complex, where this is at the level of obscure unless we re-model the implementation for it.
Considering there's no infect in the set, we're probably alright. After all, that's what eternal format banlists are for.
@modnation675, @ningyounk, @OneBigBlueSky
Here's a proposal: COMPROMISE!!!!! *happy music. Rainbows and unicorns parade across the sky as candy rains from the clouds*
How does this sound: You create a 1/1 colorless Sculpture artifact creature token. Cards let you put ability counters and +1/+1 counters on Sculptures.
A smooth combination of everybody's ideas.
However, I still would be open to the creation of some sort of sculpture/golem tribal creatures package. We could even alter the theme slightly so that some of the art comes alive when "infused with mana". This would lead us to potentially having something similar to the manlands except most if not all of them would be artifacts that turn into artifact creatures if a certain cost is paid. I would use the term Awaken for this mechanic had it not already been used in Zendikar...
Each card has it's own requirements and balancing to make them feel different.
However, I think you might have missed my last post where I propose an alternate method to Sculpt/ability counters. I think that this new way is much less complicated and also removes the flaw in @ningyounk 's original design.