I had an idea... for a 1,000 card set

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  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    We need four basic lands per color and zero Wastes. I don’t think Wastes will ever catch on, will it?

    Sure, people who want to make basic lands, go for it. I have a Mountain and an Island I would love to submit.
  • AxNoodleAxNoodle
    For reprints, I think it would be best for islands to have reprints if their designers want them to, but as we need a heap of mono-cards at least some of them should be reprints. It shouldn’t hurt the set.
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    I have my white and blue commons done.

    https://mtgcardsmith.com/account/sets/49087

  • TheWandererTheWanderer
    @Scott_Anderson
    When you link to a set, you have to link to the version on your public profile, or it won't work. As such:
    https://mtgcardsmith.com/user/Scott_Anderson/sets/49087
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    Ohhhh thank you. I had that link too but I thought that was the bad one.
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    Let's just forget about reprints for now. Then when we're near the end, we'll see if we actually want any reprints or not.

    Sounds good?
  • Bowler218Bowler218
    Hey @Scott_Anderson, I'm probably going to have to step down from the r/g/u vs w/b part, what I had in mind just wouldn't work. I'll defiantly know tomorrow if I'll come up with a way to save the idea.
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    @bowler218 that’s too bad, would you consider trying Mardu v. Simic?
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    @Bowler218 Well I'm not Scott but...

    It's fine. This set will take a while to make. Just take your time.

    I'm also having some trouble with my colors. I like Azorius, but I don't really know what to do or how to do Jund. I think I have some decent ideas for it though.

    Maybe start off by including some of your better older cards that may work with the set? Then expand from there. That's what I have done atleast.
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    edited January 2020
    Sidenote:I have a sweet 4/4 red dragon token with flying incase anyone wants to make a dragon token generator.

    https://mtgcardsmith.com/view/dragon-781?list=user

    Edit: I just made one. Ignore this text.
  • Bowler218Bowler218
    I might try mardu vs simic
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    edited January 2020
    @Bowler218 Yea, that should be fun.
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    edited January 2020
    @Leaf_Juggernaut we still have room in Temur vs Orzhov if you want to try that instead.

    @Bowler218 I will gladly give it to you.

    So here is how we stand now:

    Naya v Dimir @DrakeGladis
    Grixis v Selesnya @Ranshi
    Esper v Gruul @WarriorCatInAhat
    Bant v Rakdos @AxNoodle
    Jund v Azorius @Leaf_Juggernaut (?)

    Sultai v Boros @Scott_Anderson
    Abzan v Izzet @TheWanderer
    Temur v Orzhov @TheWanderer (?)
    Jeskai v Golgari @IzItTrue
    Mardu v Simic @Bowler218

    And there is no time constraint right now. Just work on filling up as many of those 83 slots as you feel like you can.

    In case you need some help organizing, here is the master spreadsheet again:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BnhSRV88l1vWkxMvMrqfQ9Ib4PUNqFKI/view?usp=sharing

    Copy that last page over to your drive and you can fill in the blanks as you go along.

    Here is an example one. It's the one I'm using here at home:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vUI2sOH5QYTbPk0gXtJBFx5mwFX40-v_/view?usp=sharing
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    I'm at 82/83 cards; almost ready to submit for critiques and start revising.

    https://mtgcardsmith.com/user/Scott_Anderson/sets/49087
  • RanshiRanshi
    I'll be focusing on that part, @Scott_Anderson once I have time cleared up.
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    @Scott_Anderson It's fine. I think I have an idea of how to make my jund cards. I already make my legendary. But thanks for the offer!
  • Bowler218Bowler218
    Is anyone doing a three color hyper-aggro? Just checking if that spot's taken
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    edited January 2020
    @bowler218 Any of the color pieces can be hyper aggro if you decide to go that way. Mardu is probably the lowest-to-the-ground shard but you can build any of them however you want in terms of how aggressive it is.

    My Boros is very aggressive but with a high curve and my Sultai is more utility and grind midrange.

    I predict Necrahelion will be the Siege Rhino of this set. https://mtgcardsmith.com/view/necrahelion
  • Bowler218Bowler218
    @Scott_Anderson
    This is a proof-of-concept of what I want Mardu to be:
    https://mtgcardsmith.com/view/rise-of-war
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    @bowler218 you have the right idea! This particular card has one issue (the /-2 is too much) but it’s very Mardu. If you look to the “Ascendency” enchantments from Khans block, you have the same feel here.
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    What about the set symbol?
  • Potato13Potato13
    @Ranshi , I apologise for calling them bad. However, bluntness is the best way to make progress with card design and for improving balancing. No use beating around the bush when there's a proper set to make, after all.

    I'll try not to be too critical in future, though.
  • Potato13Potato13
    I've come to review the rest of the cards, and some old cards that I overlooked.

    1. Queen of the Moor is too good. 3 mana and 10 life for 5 cards is value that cannot be matched, it'd likely take over standard and possibly modern with the help of Oko. Have it look at the top 3 cards of your library and exile one instead.

    2. Thurien Hascoet just feels bland and unappealing at Rare. my suggestion is to make it a 4 mana card and replace the Green Hosing Ability with a Zombie Support ability.

    3. Venomous Dreams is out of the color pie. White does life total exchange, while Blue has nothing to do with life manipulation in the current sultai pie.

    4. I suggest bringing Necrahelion up to 5 mana. A 4/3 with a 6 life swing is quite potent at uncommon, especially with the upside of coming back.

    5. The B/G Color Pair should be restricted to reviving Creatures. Something to note is the fact that a 4 mana resurrection spell is already very good in Standard, so that's a-ok.

    6. U/G does not do Equipment. In fact, U/G has no colors that do equipment.

    7. Olgierd Szarek could be changed to cost 1 less for each Soldier you control, then removing the -1/-1 counters clause for "Each other Soldier you control gets +1/+1" and "Each other Human you control gets +1/+1".

    8. Earth, Wind and Fire should not cantrip.

    9. The Battle of Kremser Field should be 1 mana and have a less important name.

    10. Dwarven Redsmith is silly as Red does not do +1/+1 Counters or Hexproof, and White is only tertiary in Hexproof.

    11. Mother of Autumn would be bad as a 3-mana card. I suggest retuning it.

    12. Igor is eh, since Red doesn't do indestructible or "Look at the top cards of your library" effects unless it's scry.

    13. Tobias Thon is eh for the same reasons.

    14. Troglodyte Delegation feels straight out of Homelands and in all honesty I don't like it. Troglodytes are sort of iffy as a tribe and the card does nothing upon immediate impact to the board

    15. Ph'lippe van Oss is brutally underpowered, and Blue doesn't do paying life.

    16. Elect is Resurrect Dead. There's a reason that Resurrect Dead effects weren't brought back, because they are long and confusing.

    17. Cledd Merrick is underwhelming at Rare.

    18. Remove the Landhome Ability on Dryad Invoker, and make it purely Blue.

    19. People already know how I feel about exile-based synergies.

    20. Devour is a Warleader's Helix for 3 mana. Make Devour 4 mana and it'll be less too good.

    21. The eyes are still unappealing.

    22. Taste of Honey is Control Magic, and Control Magic is too good for standard or modern. Change it to 6 mana and have it give the enchanted creature +1/+1 or something.

    23. Beebles are the representative race of the Beeble scale, and Mark Rosewater himself has not wanted them to come back.

    24. A Stolen Moment is too costworthy. Make the initial instance 2 mana and maybe it'll catch on.

    25. Dwarven Pikemen should be a 2/1 for 2.

    26. Ill Omen should be replaced by a reprint of Mind Rot.

    27. Skylla and Akheilas is too much of an important name for a random 3 mana common.


    Personal Suggestions:

    1. When designing a card, always search up similar cards in Scryfall or Gatherer to get an idea of what mana the effect should be at.

    2. You do not need so many hoser cards for a set.

    3. Too many mechanics ruin a set. Also, Dignity is really bad vigilance.

    4. So many of the cards feel straight out of Homelands. 1/1's for 2, 3/7's for 6, 6 mana 5/6's with conditional flying, confusing wordings that don't work, and off-color strategies or cards. Look at new cards and find out which mechanical things are still used today, and what beloved rares look like.
  • Bowler218Bowler218
    Which numbers were my two cards?
  • Leaf_JuggernautLeaf_Juggernaut
    @Bowler218 He was analyzing Scott_Anderson's set so far.

    I guess once we complete the 83 card set assignment, we submit it for review for analyzation.
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    edited January 2020
    @Potato13: You looked at all of them! Wow and thanks.

    Re: advice: thank you. I will take some of your suggestions to heart. On others, I have a different idea of how Wizards parses the color pie based on their 2017 declaration.

    On underwhelming cards, I agree with you but I (mostly) want to keep them that way. Not every card has to define Standard.

    As far as them feeling right out of Homelands: Thanks :)

    Have you got some idea of how to make conditional plying on a blue card without some odd mechanic? I tried Legendary Landwalk and Pay Life to Fly.

    I agree with you on Tobias Thon. Underwhelming. I’m going to think about him.

    Mother of Autumn - an interesting critique. I think she’s pushed. I’ll look again.

    Igor Levchenko: there are three red cards with indestructible. It’s rare but it happens, and he’s a rare.

  • shadow123shadow123
    @Scott_Anderson @Ranshi I sort of dropped out randomly and I feel kind of bad about that. Is there any card designing stuff I can still help with?
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    @shadow123 No worries! This should be fun for people, not hard work. We are happy to have you back.

    There is one slice of the pie left to hand out: Temur v. Orzhov. At the moment it is the responsibility of @TheWanderer. He is also doing Abzan vs Izzet. That’s a lot! But he said that for now he would start Temur and Orzhov since no one else had claimed it.

    Would you like to do Temur and Orzhov?
  • Scott_AndersonScott_Anderson
    edited January 2020
    By the way this is how i have the assignments written down. Please double check to see if I have it right.

    Naya v Dimir @DrakeGladis
    Grixis v Selesnya @Ranshi
    Esper v Gruul @WarriorCatInAhat
    Bant v Rakdos @AxNoodle
    Jund v Azorius @Leaf_Juggernaut
    Sultai v Boros @Scott_Anderson
    Abzan v Izzet @TheWanderer
    Temur v Orzhov @TheWanderer***
    Jeskai v Golgari @IzItTrue
    Mardu v Simic @Bowler218

    If anyone wants to switch with me to grab Sultai v. Boros I will do that.
  • shadow123shadow123
    edited January 2020
    I would be happy to!
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