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@ningyounk: Another good idea. Where would he/she fit into the storyline?
@TezzeretofCarmot21: I think that Rebirth would work on legendary creatures, because you blink them, so there's no complication with the legend rule.
I'm thinking at the very least:
- Mona Lisa by Da Vinci
- The Sistine Chapel and more specifically its painted roof by Michaelangelo
- Hamlet by Shakespeare
- Classical Ballet which is hard to assign to someone specifically, but I'd lean toward a strong french figure like Catherine De Medici or Louis XIV a.k.a. the Sun King
And maybe also (not necessarily as "Masterpiece" cards, but any reference would be great):
- The Birth of Venus by Boticelli
- The Last Supper by Da Vinci
- The School of Athens by Raphael
I'm not sure how many diversified and cool Masterpieces we can put in our list, we may want to enlarge our scope to technology as well? I'm thinking:
- The Copernician Model (Earth is round and revolves around sun) could be represented by some kind of globe/map
- The Vitruvian Man by Da Vinci perfectly emphasizes the progress in anatomy, it doesn't have to be a painting though, it could be a mannequin or even a book
- Printing could be represented by an artifact pretty easily as well
Working on a concept for the Sistine Chapel right now. Should have it up in the next 30 minutes.
Finding a workable art was difficult, so this is just a concept, for when we find a better art.
Neh'Threm was spawned by the hunger of the land. A beast with a bottomless stomach who feasts on Phoenixes to both satiate his hunger and fuel his flaming breath. Wherever Neh'Threm goes, he is always on the hunt.
I'm not sure how much of this thread you read, (20 pages is a lot, after all) but while Painborn Sculpture kinda fits when you consider the life matters theme, I think the general consensus was +1/+1 counters over -1/-1 counters. And I'm not quite sure why Neh'Threm would be a possibility. It doesn't seem to fit anything we've talked about.
I dunno about this. Psylian life on artifacts feels like a no-no unless its just on entry. Gaining normal life seems like a waste with Psylian life in the set. Dealing damage or losing life feels dangerous with artifacts and doesn't really make sense for this type of card. Paying life also didn't seem right. So on artifacts, which I assume the masterpieces would probably be, effects dealing with art tokens seem the most right. Still, that mechanic feels so weird on an artifact. Also love how inceptive making a card about a piece about art is.
Can't have too many common concepts.
For the shared pattern:
- At first I was thinking of a loose artifact cycle (possibly colored) but allowing lands and maybe other card types could actually be fun. If all Masterpieces but one lean towards artifacts, we may want to make the Chapel an artifact as well.
- Could be artifacts with no mana costs (I'm trying to make them feel unique)?
- Could be artifacts that have an effect when they're discovered (likely way too parasitic)?
- Could be cards that have an effect when they're in your opening hands?
- Could be cards that give you building restrictions?
For the individual Masterpieces, the Vitruvian Man could be a Human tribal card? x)
For the Sistine chapel, we could maybe turn its name from being based on number 6 to number 5 just to wink at Magic's colours, and have it be a mana stone of some sort?
@Fantastic_Fantasy_Cards
On Neh'Threm: I like the phoenix tribal thing, I think they go well with the Renaissance theme since they keep rebirthing. The rest of the card feels out of place to me (the name doesn't click with the plane, having a legendary hungry hydra seems like it would compete for the flashy legendary slots of our Muses, etc.) Moreover, it's too strong, 8/8 haste trample reach for only 4 mana is really not ok even with the two phoenixes x) You have the "Hunted" cycle if you want to get an idea of how to do this kind of cycles powerwise, it's always useful to compare with already existing cards to get a sense of balancing for your cards: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&name=+[hunted]&set=+["Ravnica: City of Guilds"]
On Painborn Scultpure: I like the concept, it blends really well with the set mechanically
@brcien
On Gallery: I feel like they would need to explore some new design space, both versions feel a little tame mechanically in my opinion. You don't *have* to use the set keyworded mechanics, think things like Panharmonicon for instance! ^^ I'll try to come up with something too.
On Tedious Hours: I really like the flavour and art, mechanically I would go with the second version without the token restriction (though the first version works perfectly fine as well) ^^ I'm still unsure of what's better though: Compose after the boost or Compose with a smaller number THEN give the boost to immediatly pump the tokens you created? Both feel slightly unintuitive
EDIT: Never mind
Have changed one of theTedious Hours concepts since @ningyounk commented? Of the two that I saw, only one lets you Compose at all.
Legendary Artifact
Tap a nonland permanent you control: Compose1
Goes infinite with itself. Tap it to make an art then tap the art to make another art, etc.
I like it. It has a very strong "build around me feel" that can work fairly well, since it isn't difficult to build a deck with a fair number of humans.
For wording, I'd propose the following, referenced from delve.
Each Human card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for {1}
702.65a Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.”
#avinzi (I just “discover”ed hashtags on MTGCS xD)